Sorry to say I didn't watch the video because I despite this particular format, but I got in a lot of trouble in graduate school for pointing out how little the department cared about teaching. Ironically, my primary nemesis was one of the very few professors with whom I got along, who was later denied tenure despite being a world class name in his field. The reason? He worked with too many graduate student and so didn't publish enough.Why didn't that department care? Because most of its funding came and continues to come from research money. Actual teaching is a loss leader and engaged in only as necessary to keep the brochures glossy.The general applicability of this is debatable, but the usual advice to "follow the money" seems to be a good place to start.
As far as murky marketing slogans go, I drive by USD several times a week, and they have a billboard that says, "USD: One of a kind, second to none."If they're one of a kind, it seems kinda worrisome that they're even contemplating the possibility of being in second place.Ultimately, the only way to really objectively rate a school is ROI. After correcting for socio-economic factors, what is the expected life time earnings.Who cares about teaching as long as the school sets you up for reasonably lucrative careers relative to the cost?
SH: What's interesting is that Management doesn't get much in the way of grant money. Go to the grant writers and tell them you need money to study why some companies are more profitable than other companies, and they look at you funny.From the University's point of view, the point of having a Management Department and a School of Management is to attract paying students. We're there to pay the bills. And while I wouldn't say we don't care about teaching, it is clearly not what we're rewarded for at the most prominent schools.Bret: That is a particularly uninspiring slogan, right of there with "O'Donnell: Not a Witch."I care about learning separate from earning. I firmly believe that both the individual's life and society as a whole are better for a good education.
David wrote: "I firmly believe that both the individual's life and society as a whole are better for a good education."Education? Or Learning? And what's the difference between "education" and "good education"?Your statement strikes me as one of the platitudes that really has almost no meaning.
Sorry to say I didn't watch the video because I despite this particular format, but I got in a lot of trouble in graduate school for pointing out how little the department cared about teaching. Ironically, my primary nemesis was one of the very few professors with whom I got along, who was later denied tenure despite being a world class name in his field. The reason? He worked with too many graduate student and so didn't publish enough.
ReplyDeleteWhy didn't that department care? Because most of its funding came and continues to come from research money. Actual teaching is a loss leader and engaged in only as necessary to keep the brochures glossy.
The general applicability of this is debatable, but the usual advice to "follow the money" seems to be a good place to start.
As far as murky marketing slogans go, I drive by USD several times a week, and they have a billboard that says, "USD: One of a kind, second to none."
ReplyDeleteIf they're one of a kind, it seems kinda worrisome that they're even contemplating the possibility of being in second place.
Ultimately, the only way to really objectively rate a school is ROI. After correcting for socio-economic factors, what is the expected life time earnings.
Who cares about teaching as long as the school sets you up for reasonably lucrative careers relative to the cost?
SH: What's interesting is that Management doesn't get much in the way of grant money. Go to the grant writers and tell them you need money to study why some companies are more profitable than other companies, and they look at you funny.
ReplyDeleteFrom the University's point of view, the point of having a Management Department and a School of Management is to attract paying students. We're there to pay the bills. And while I wouldn't say we don't care about teaching, it is clearly not what we're rewarded for at the most prominent schools.
Bret: That is a particularly uninspiring slogan, right of there with "O'Donnell: Not a Witch."
I care about learning separate from earning. I firmly believe that both the individual's life and society as a whole are better for a good education.
David wrote: "I firmly believe that both the individual's life and society as a whole are better for a good education."
ReplyDeleteEducation? Or Learning? And what's the difference between "education" and "good education"?
Your statement strikes me as one of the platitudes that really has almost no meaning.